Criminology in the new millennium Conference 

 

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Criminology in the new millennium Conference

XII  Rage, Gender and Violence In The Home

 

A day conference held on 8th March 2002

In Westminster

 

Chair: Esther Stanford (Society of Black Lawyers)

 

Barbara Follett MP      The importance of addressing issues around Violence In The Home

 

Lizzy Gummer   Home Office      Government Response to Violence In The Home

 

Professor Jill Radford    Teesside University     Legal Resonpse to Violence In The Home and the need for law review

 

Hannana Siddiqui    Southall Black Sisters        State Responsibility for tackling Violence In The Home in the Black Community

 

Julie Bindel    University of East London    The danger of Liberal Feminists’ response to violence against ethnic minority women   (Did not appear because went abroad).l

 

Jackie Holder   Life Work in Progress    Moving on from violence: “not just surviving but thriving”

 

 

 

The Organiser    Ruth Chigwada-Bailey, BSC., Msc., Dip.Crim.

98 Aldridge Avenue, Stanmore, Middlesex  HA7 1DD   UK

Tel – Fax  020 8204 9587

www.Ruthchigwada-bailey.inuk.com          email ruthchigwada@aol.com

   

Extracts;

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14.58

Lorna Brown     1 woman in 4 subjected to DV.

During a pause, Ivor Catt asked a question. “What is the source for the 1 in 4 figure please?”

Answer; “Why do you want to know?”

Ivor; “ There are hundreds of professionals here. I need to know the source of the facts that they go on.

Answer. “The figure is everywhere.”

Ivor; “That is no use. I need one or two sources that you rely on.”

Answer. “British Crime Survey.”

Ivor; “What year please?”

Answer; “1989.”

A poodleman then rose and said; “I am totally disgusted with the gentleman’s behaviour. As a male, I am ashamed. The question was intimidating.”   This led to general clapping.

[Of the 200 attending, one in ten or one in twenty were men.] During this interchange and for the rest of the conference, the atmosphere was extremely hostile.

[The chairman said she would supply the sources for the 1 in 4 statistic to the questioner [Ivor] before the end of the conference. When Ivor approached her, she produced only the GLA Stanko-driven booklet with “1 in 4” on its cover in large type. Ivor then told her that that came from a cohort in Hackney of less than 150. The chairman told Ivor that she had no other sources.]

 

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All these women are implacable. Like the Marxists (they are latter-day Marxists, having replaced the word “Capitalism” with “Patriarchy”, but left the dogma as it was before) they have heavily infiltrated all our institutions, and will wreak massive damage during the next 15 years. No statistics, political or social developments will deflect them from their course. They are too far gone on their path to be able to change direction in any way. To change course would do too much damage to their burgeoning careers.

Before the day began, I correctly predicted that Erin Pizzey, who set up the first refuge for battered women (and who is cited in law text books as her book “Scream quietly of the neightbours will hear” caused reform in the law) would not be mentioned.  I also predicted correctly that false allegations would not be  mentioned          Ivor Catt

 

10.04  Barbara Follett MP    Married four times, not proud of it. First husband assassinated in South Africa   2sons 3 daughters aged 37 – 28   

“I can give you the statistics, [but] we know them.”

MP for Stevenage.   Stevenage is homogeneous, white, working class.  Moved from West Ham.

White working class male C2  D  E   Lots of unemployment.     Herts 6,000 cases of reported DV.

Anecdotal.  Doctor’s wife.   Most middle class working women. Beaten up by doctor husband.

Major problems. Women don’t want to sey when abused. Men don’t want to address problem.

Women violence remarkably few.  Mainly female victims.

47% female killed by partners.    8% men killed by partners.

 

Look at 2 problems.  1 Make sure cases are reported.    2 Perpetrators dealt with in appropriate fashion.

 

Men, women (biological) different reactions for violence. Men, fight not flight.  

Film “Reservoir Dogs” addresses something I don’t understand.   Young men beat up each other in telephone boxes.  Boys/Men intensely frustrated.

Many violent men, men in jail, cannot read.   Women teach men to read.

Urge more men to become school governors, more involved in school.

There is violence because we have incredibly frustrated men.

I am a long term feminist.  …….Anger management

I am a fairly angry woman most of the time.

Women who have been violently treated feel it is their fault.

I want us to talk about relationship skills.   We need to train men and women how to manage relationships.  [N.B. Nationalisation of the family. – I.C.]

We need Anger Management courses. Relationship skills in schools.

Elected MP in 1997.   Worst Stevenage school had only one third of children could read at age 11.  Now 2/3 can read at age 11.

 

I see Follett as the same as Sue Slipman. She is implacable. Like Slipman, she will not be deterred by a continuing escalation in the suicide rate among young men. Like Slipman, she will see this as merely yong men’s failure to adjust to a loss of a position of privilege. She will fully exploit the current PC radfem position in the interests of her personal political and more general career. She will not identify with her grandsons if she has any.

 

10.22

Lizzy Gummer.  Home Office.  Role – Co-ordinator re. DV.  Secretary, Informal Ministerial Group on DV. “The vast majority of my audience [here] are practitioners.”

Came to the job in July last year. Provision for DV is piecemeal. Ministers’ Group; Health, Education, Lord Chancellor, Solicitor General, Cabinet Office.

5 major items. Key things we need to do.

  1. Early intervention by health practitioners. A woman is a victim 35 times before she goes public. Prevalence of DV escalates during pregnancy. Midwives to test for DV during pregnancy.
  2. Enhance civil/criminal justice interface. Georgina McArthy murder by husband. Family Court judge should know of current criminal cases.
  3. Training and awareness training for judiciary.
  4. Increase safe accommodation places for women and children. Initiative DTLR to change revenue funding for victims (refuges).
  5. Education. Barbara Roach, Minister of Education responsible for DV. Wider public awareness raising. Supermarkets to raise DV awareness?
  6. John Denham and Harriet Harman. Get appropriate police respnse to DV. CPS reduce reliance on victim. Ensure victim gets all the support she needs. We haven’t drawn out any particular groups that we want to help. (People with different needs.) Will come in due course

Question from Plymouth Male Perpetartor Programme. Women want a community response to DV which goes beyond criminalisation response. Desperate need for more gotv. Help.

Lizzy Gummer; “Duluth Model.” We do not have holistic approach (as in Duluth). We need to work on it.

LCD investing in child contact centres. Trying to get Treasury money to expand child contact centres.

Question from Paul Darby/Garvey  Probation Officer West Midlands.  Answer; Need not more money. We need more intelligent direction of resources.

Question  . Camden. Women’s Aid    50% of women coming forward are from black and ethnic women.

20 mins coffee break.

 

11.12

Professor Jill Radford

Researcher, Activist, Teacher.   1996 went to University of Teeside.

Centre for Applied Socio-Legal Studies.

-          from feminist prespective, with feminist thinking.

Law remains one of the strong bastions of patriarchy. Law made by an elite group of white middle/upper class men.

Difficult for the law to include women’s experiences.

Feminist jurisprudence.  Work within or without the law? Jill Radford says work within to reform it.

Published 2000 Sexual Offences Review. (Link sexual violence to domestic violence.)

At the end of the 90’s I was asked by Europe to review law re DV in each European country.

Need to review the law on DV to have more effective, coherent law.

New legislation.  Most interesting. Cyprus is the most progressive.  Jill Radford likes the new Cyprus law  “Cypriot Penal Code”. (JR is a member of a mulri-agency forum.)

Call for our DV laws to be reviewed and become mixed civil/criminal.

JR ….”involved in research and statistics keeping….” [!]

JR teaches and educates police officers. The Judiciary never attend.

14 different definitions of DV in govt. documents; police, Dept. of Health, LCD,……….

Access to child.  18 children per year die as a result of chil;d access in problematic cases.

Death of partner while woman defending herself against DV.

Question from Mick Peasegood, Help, Leeds.  JR “…. Impressed by what I have heard of (events) in Leeds.” “…. More holistic law …. Which I would like to see ….”

Kilby  Oxford DV    CPS  I work with Lizzy Gummer in hear from Harriet Harman ….

New idea is for District Judge …. Issue either criminal or civil restraining order.

Need a DV review like Sexual Offences review.

Question…. “Please include the invisible lesbian”.  [Only mention of lesbians all day.]

Wopmen’s Crisis Centre.      25% of somen questioned said their partner had raped them. 

Question from Ted Falter of “Alcohol Concern”    One quarter of households suffer from DV.    40% of DV has heavy alcohol content.  Substance abuse is a big factor.  Alcohol abuse is a very heavy factor in DV.

JR: “Alcohol is implicated in DV. Injuries then more severe. Sober men are more controlled in their use of violence.”

Question: Deaf/Blind sufferers.    Deaf/Blind Disabled.

Chris Fioy, Basingstoke; Deaf man got off because he was deaf.

 

11.58

Hannana Siddiqui

Southall Black Sisters

Event today is to mark International Women’s Day.

Women across the world work to enhance …. Their struggle against oppression.

Anti-Racist movement fails to take on issues around gender.

“Forced marriage is part of DV.”

“Dalawalia killed a violent man.”

State’s responsibility in addressing issues of DV towards black women.

“Asian women 2 to 3 times more likely to commit suicide.”

Politicians listen to leaders of Asian communities. Leaders are men, patriarchal.

Blunkett – forced marriage   - female genital mutilation.

Blunkett is using a racist approach to minority community problems.

Arranged marriages can be based on consent.       Not all arranged marriages are forced marriages.

Speaker wants the state to interfere in minority community problems.

State afraid of being accused or racism when it interferes …. State ignores needs of black women.

Michael Brian (pre-Blunkett) said : “Cultural sensitivity is no excuse for moral blindness.”

Black women; double discrimination – racism, sexism.

Re DV, “[Minority] Community Leaders …. Lip service ….”   Want mediation …. Keep family together.

?1991? …. Vanduna Patel  …? Killed by her husband

[If] Immigrant women experience DV  ….. [can they] stay in country?

…..Mental abuse…..      …..emotional abuse………      economic exploitation……

Women who kill violent men …. Sarah Thornton ….. Zorah Shah (12 years of sexual violence, economic violence, by her pimp.  His brother was a leading figure in the mosque.

Sarah Thornton told speaker shameful to admit a career of prostitution, violence …. Court said (since_ she was a prostitute …….

12.28 Hannana ends.

Question by DV survivor; “No organisation is looking at DV of blacks.”

Black means Africa – UK

Ind Afr – Caribbean – UK

20 refuges for Asian women; only 2 refuges for black women.

Question   Rebecca Boinham, Birmingham Law Student; DV taboo subject in black community.  No research. Nothing.

[Much resentment that there are refuges for Asian women, but not for black women.  The Asians replied that Asians had take the trouble to set them up.

 

14.10 [Julie Bindel did not appear; she was abroad. Replaced by;

Harriet Wistrich

Campaigner and Lawyer.   Founder Member, “Justice for Women.”

Works for women who have killed theiur partners.

Subject; “Battered Women;’s Syndrome.”

Use of this syndrome in defence of a killer had Advantage and Disadvantage.

HW represented Sarah Thornton

Emma Humphries     forced into prostitution

Amelia Rossiter    Killed her husband of many years

Alawalia

Diana Butler     Working class Yorkshire woman.

Joannah Cole    Ovberstayer from Jamaica

Christine de Vainey

Jane Andrews    White working class   Dresser for Duchess of York  

Josephine Smith Killed husband after years of violence…8years in prison.  Hope everyone will support her appeal. Now to Court of Appeal.

 

DV takes all sorts of different forms.   Very often very little physical evidence.

Emotional, psychological, financial, controlling DV         all have same debilitating effects.

Leads to Battered Women’s Syndrome

Concept  developed by Leonora Walker   “cycle of violence”    “learned helplessness” (LH)    jury has difficulty with LH followed by fighting back.

Leonora Walker was expert defence witness in OJ Simpson case (in the end did not give evidence)

“….[wrong to] focus on the pathology of the woman rather than on the perpetrator of the violence.”

…….Shah. Forced into prostitution…..

“…. [my clients] downplay mental …. Terrified of being sent off to a mental hospital ….”

“…. We must focus much more on the pathology of the abuser rather than on [the woman] ….”

Provocation is …. Build up …. Cumulative ….

…. Josephine Smith …. [please] join campaign …. Suffered extreme abuse …. Primarily sexual abuse ….

Question by Susan Ash, Laura Kelly Foundation; “Courts seem to deal much more harshly with women who commit crimes.”

Question by 11 year old girl; “Rape is a step worse than murder.”  [Later speakers disagreed.]

Supporting a particular woman is a political act to bring attention to DV against women.

Question. Duluth programme?

-          Pilot scheme run by Probation. Duluth is a different way of understanding DV, better than Battered Woman Syndrome.

Question. Paul Darby, Westminster Probation.   ?More women judges?

More urgent, training, understanding.  “Some of the worst judges can be women judges.”

Question. Julia Rose, West Midlands Prison for Women.   

Speaker recommends; Dr Fiona Mason.  Good re. St. Andrews Hospital Northampton.

 

14.52

(Miss) Poppy Jakra.

 17 years old. Young Asian female.   Discrmination, violence.  Father manual labourer in bus garage for 15 years. Still called “Paki”; - led to Alienation, humiliation. (Hint that father was violent.)

Ruling classes, people in positions of power.

Racist propaganda must be banned.

Mobile phone robberies/young black males.

History books conceal facts in history.

What options are there open to a yong person like myself?

“…. Years of trauma for my mother ….”

“…. Sight of blood and bruising….”

 

14.58

Lorna Brown     1 woman in 4 subjected to DV.

 

During a pause, Ivor Catt asked a question. “What is the source for the 1 in 4 figure please?”

Answer; “Why do you want to know?”

Ivor; “ There are hundreds of professionals here. I need to know the source of the facts that they go on.

Answer. “The figure is everywhere.”

Ivor; “That is no use. I need one or two sources that you rely on.”

Answer. “British Crime Survey.”

Ivor; “What year please?”

Answer; “1989.”

A poodleman then rose and said; “I am totally disgusted with the gentleman’s behaviour. As a male, I am ashamed. The question was intimidating.”   This led to general clapping.

[Of the 200 attending, one in ten or one in twenty were men.] During this interchange and for the rest of the conference, the atmosphere was extremely hostile.

[The chairman said she would supply the sources for the 1 in 4 statistic to the questioner [Ivor] before the end of the conference. When Ivor approached her, she produced only the GLA Stanko-driven booklet with “1 in 4” on its cover in large type. Ivor then told her that that came from a cohort in Hackney of less than 150. The chairman told Ivor that she had no other sources.]

“Must not talk about single families. Then an old lady said her daughter taught a class of 35, 20 from a single parent. The 20 were completely out of control.” She [a bit dotty, as I found later] said that children needed two parents. She was more or less hissed down.

 

15.56

Jackoe Holder

Life work in progress.

Black woman.

Moving from violence.; “not just surviving but thriving”.

Wrote a book; sole purpose …. My own personal experiences of DV

2 women die every week as a result of DV.

1999      54,000 sought DV refuge.

Personal story. Age 17 yrs  relationship (for 5 years) with man 25 violence, emotional abuse, physical, mental abuse.   …. Working in a prison ….    ….punch in stomach……    …ribs hurt….

I escaped to university, but he followed me to Birmingham.

Women leave those relationships with lots of baggage.   5-10 years later, another relationship.  Flying across room. My daughter went flying the other way.

Working in a women’s unit.

Fund more rites of passage for women.

Ask men what they need.

Question from Carol Hazelwood Morris Family CWO   Leicester. Listen to what the children say. My daughter has a very close and loving relationship with her father. Children often not given the chance to express their opinions. There is no right way.  What about implacably hostile mother/resident parent? Numerous occasions (myself and my colleagues.)   Contact centre.

 

16.37

Harriet Harman

Solicitor General.

Born 1950 London

York Univ. Politics, Law.

….. beginning to be quite a lot of work on DV.

Ovdrview.  Govt thinks Dv should be a higher priority.    Govt is concerned about violent crime.   One quarter is DV, Must include this concern.

One quarter to one third of murders are DV murders.

Govt – tackle issues of concern to women. DV is a big issue for women.

Concern re families with children.

Children are always harmed by Dv situation.

Oncern: make criminal justice system work better. Highest % of failed cases are DV cases.

When pregnant, women are then often willing to come forward re DV.

CPS fake cases through courts…. [we] have set up a new network of DV specialists. National network.    Handle cases and support colleagues prosecutions.

Nearly all DV victims are women.  Many are ethnic minority.

We will launch new Guidance in November; “Prosecuting in DV”.

Victim of Public prosecutes?

Prosecutor case Amnadee from Nottingham. Victim (in hospital) did not want to prosecute, but it was prosecuted by prosecutor Kim from Leeds.

I have my own DV forum in Southwark.     4 DV murders are being investigated.

All these women are implacable. Like the Marxists (they are latter-day Marxists, having replaced the word “Capitalism” with “Patriarchy”, but left the dogma as it was before) they have heavily infiltrated all our institutions, and will wreak massive damage during the next 15 years. No statistics, political or social developments will deflect them from their course. They are too far gone on their path to be able to change direction in any way. To change course would do too much damage to their burgeoning careers.

Before the day began, I correctly predicted that Erin Pizzey, who set up the first refuge for battered women (and who is cited in law text books as her book “Scream quietly of the neightbours will hear” caused reform in the law) would not be mentioned.  I also predicted correctly that false allegations would not be mentioned.

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Clare Dyer interview.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,11812,747675,00.html

 

It's good to be back

After her exile on the backbenches, Harriet Harman is making her mark as solicitor general. Clare Dyer talks to her about her first year in office

Tuesday July 2, 2002
The Guardian

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The law officers superintend or oversee the CPS, though the service is independent. Harman's particular baby is the service's part in the government crackdown on domestic violence. In November she enlisted Cherie Booth QC - who said she had cut her teeth in her 20s defending abused women in court - to help launch a new domestic violence code for crown prosecutors. Fifty percent of domestic violence cases are dropped before they get to court, and in nearly four out of five of those cases the woman decides to drop her complaint - often for fear of retaliation.

Under the new code cases now go ahead regardless, if prosecution is deemed to be in the public interest. The woman can be compelled to come to court by a witness summons, or the case can go ahead without her on the basis of other evidence. Cases are prosecuted by a new team of specialist domestic-violence prosecutors, many of them women.

Last week Harman hosted a conference for them, followed by a reception at 11 Downing Street attended by Gordon Brown and David Blunkett. A circuit judge who was there remarked: "She's showing real determination to tackle the issue. Solicitor general tends to be a non-job but she's making a real job of it."

Harman wants to make sure not only that men who beat up their partners are brought to court, but when they are convicted they go to jail. She and the attorney general have power to refer cases to the court of appeal when the trial judge is thought to have sentenced too leniently. …. ….

 

Allied sites;

www.ivorcatt.com/2201.htm

www.ivorcatt.com/2202.htm