Leeds women

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From: <mkmensaid@tiscali.co.uk>

To: <euro-dads@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:24 PM

Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Dr Smart study puts children at risk.

This women is a menace to society and she is clearly putting children at risk with her meaningless study ….Who in their right mind gave this women a job?
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/international/wun/contacts.htm
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ATB Dave                    [Full text at last panel.]

The coming sabotage, by the Leeds women and others, of attempts to reform the family courts, and the consequences

F4J and Bin Laden

Leeds women.  http://www.ivorcatt.com/2316.htm

 

The political Establishment, controlled by radfem propaganda, is anxious to retain unclarity over the divorce process. This unclarity avoids accountability for the judges etc. involved.

 

The effect of a divorce will become apparent five, ten or more years later. If statistical results were assembled on, for instance, the amount of truancy or running away from home in the case of children who were allowed contact with their divorced fathers compared with those who were not, we would begin to gather evidence very soon, in five years. We would also gather statistical comparison of the outcome for children under one judge compared with another, under one CWO compared with another, and so on. Five years is a very short time compared with the decades that the current scandalous situation has persisted. We know that the outcome for children cut off from their fathers is much worse - three times worse. Truancy, teenage pregnancy, criminality are three times worse. All that remained was for these stark statistics to be generated by an accredited government supported or government recognised research programme. All officials vested in the present system have carried out a rearguard to prevent such research from being done. This obfuscation has been buttressed by government funding for falsification of results on DV research etc. by, for instance, Stinko of RHC, and in Leeds.

 

I spent years promoting the idea of "Outcome". This means the state of the child whose parents divorce five or ten years after the divorce. This carried with it the threat of judges and Court Welfare Officers being made accountable for the first time. In the past, there has been no work done to gather statistics on the state of children some years after the divorce.

 

Generally, all salaried personnel involved (helped by some rogue men’s groups) insisted on not understanding my meaning of "outcome", and insisted on replacing my meaning for such considerations as whether a child was upset about the way a Court Welfare Officer interviewed the child during the divorce process. However, in the end, they were forced to admit that they understood, and the Lord Chancellor's Department agreed institute research on outcome. When it came to choice of those to do the research, the research group was chosen to be composed of 11 women and one man. However, worse happened in that five of the women were drawn from the dreadful Leeds stable. Two years ago, on http://www.ivorcatt.com/2204.htm ,  wrote; "The first two books (Laski and Leeds) contrast in an interesting way. Leeds has captured the Lord Chancellor’s Department’s Family Courts Outcomes Committee; see p1 of Ill Eagle 20. They are committed to falsifying statistics.  Ivor   2sep02"

http://www.ivorcatt.com/2203.htm gives more information on the dreadful Leeds women.

Also see http://www.ivorcatt.com/2201.htm “In 1979, Leeds Revolutionary Feminists published Political Lesbianism: The Case Against Heterosexuality."

We have not done a breakdown of the Leeds women, but we know that they represent the vanguard of the attack on the family and on fatherhood. The web pages here cited give some chilling information on Leeds women, the way they are linked together, and the sexist scandal associated with them – the insistence that two Newcastle nurses sexually abused children, leading to hundreds of thousands of pounds of damages to the nurses.

Robert Whiston finally won the battle to get the LCD to support the gathering of statistical information on outcome. The LCD then made him a member of an irrelevant committee, and refused to put him, or any one else representing excluded fathers, on the committee looking into outcome.

Robert Whiston will be able to tell us what he knows about Carol Smart. The name is familiar.

When the Lord Chancellor's Department gave the job of researching into outcome to the Leeds women, we lost ten further years in the process, or campaign, to reform the family courts and so we lost another generation of maimed children. The Leeds women were bound to falsify their research results. Their radfem ideology makes it incubment on them to falsity their results, as Stinko did with her notorious 1 in 4 figure lambasted by Melanie Phillips in her nov99 book. Their corruption of statistical research is intrinsic to their assertion that after getting the votes in from an opinion poll, the researcher should (not just may) go back and interview those who answered in order to “enhance, or clarify,” their vote. This is the key to their technique for corrupting research results. Further, they argue for lengthy investigation of a small cohort rather than trying to maximise the size of the cohort used in the poll.

Apart from virulent radfems, who want to suppress outcome stats, all the salaried bureaucracies administering the current attack on children and their divorcing fathers are anxious to delay the determination of outcome until beyond their individual retirement. They will continue to introduce delay, like giving work to the Leeds women, until the crisis really boils over in the streets and there are many more deaths than so far.

Ivor Catt        23mar04

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: <mkmensaid@tiscali.co.uk>

To: <euro-dads@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:24 PM

Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Dr Smart study puts children at risk.

 

> This women is a menace to society and she is clearly putting children at
> risk with her meaningless study on 30 young people claiming equal time spent
> with both parents does not guarantee a child happiness when put in to
> context with the disadvantages to children and society of sole residency. I
> am going to write to every one at Leeds University and tell them what I
> think of her stupid study. Who in there right mind gave this women a job?
>
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/international/wun/contacts.htm
> ATB Dave
>
>
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/19/1079199420544.html
>
> Sydney Morning Herald
> 20 March 2004
>
> Children's views vital for parent sharing to work
> By Adele Horin
>
> Shared parenting after divorce can work only if the arrangement is based on
> the needs and wishes of children rather than parents, a new study has found.
>
> The 50/50 arrangement, with children splitting their time between two
> households, needed room for flexibility for it to succeed. And it required
> children to feel equally "at home" in both houses.
>
> The study by Dr Carol Smart, of the University of Leeds in Britain, is one
> of the first in the world to examine shared parenting over time from the
> children's perspective.
>
> Dr Smart said "equal shares" seemed to be such a fair principle. "But equal
> shares may seem less ideal to children and may be ill-suited to their
> changing lives as they grow up."
>
> Dr Smart, who is from the Centre for Research on Family, Kinship and
> Childhood, is visiting Australia and will report on her study at
> conferences.
>
> The study was based on interviews four years apart with 30 young people aged
> 8 to 20. It revealed children's happiness could not be measured by the
> number of hours spent in each house.
>
> For children to be happy, they had to feel they were genuine partners in the
> arrangement.
>
> "The willingness to consult with children gave them a sense of some control
> over their situation," she said. "It also made them feel that the purpose of
> the exercise was to ensure their happiness and welfare."
>
> Also, by age 10 or 11, children needed parents to "loosen their grip on
> their time" to allow them to pursue other interests. "Half and half is
> fine," one teenage girl said. "I just think that now I'm 16 I should have
> more of a say. If I want to go and stay with my dad on Friday then I think I
> should be allowed."
>
> Dr Smart said Australia's recent parliamentary inquiry into shared custody
> had favoured laws in which shared residence was the starting point, until it
> heard from the children. "At least they listened to children, but they left
> them to last," she said.
>
> Though the inquiry backed away from introducing into family law a
> presumption of shared residence, the Federal Government is keen to encourage
> shared residence arrangements.
>
> Dr Smart's study found that 21 of the original 30 youngsters were still in
> shared care after four years. But that did not mean the experience was
> always positive. Sometimes the arrangement persisted only because children
> dared not upset the status quo. The happiest children were in
> child-friendly, flexible and homely situations.
>
> "They felt equally at home in each of their parents' house," she said. "And
> when parents could be friendly, or on good terms, children who had to
> migrate between the two were relieved of conflicting loyalties and a sense
> of guilt."
>
> The unsuccessful cases involved children who felt they were "living lives
> that were basically parent oriented".
>
> They felt the arrangement was agreed to satisfy their parents' needs, or
> where parents could not agree, to create compromise for the adults.
> Sometimes they felt a parent had been bullied into the arrangement.
>
> Some children felt strongly that only one household was their real home and
> only one parent provided the care they needed.
>

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